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Phoenix Tears · Oct 31, 2007, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

FMVs that don't use the in game engine are just a waste of money, imo.

Guild Wars does it right using OUR characters with what they are wearing, weapons, dye, height etc, instead of a canned FMV.

And I dont know how you can look at L2 isnt anime style...Look at the dwarves!

Have you actually played L2 Phoenix Tears?

L2 uses HIGHER RESOLUTION textures. But the polys and overall game resolution are the same. L2 also focuses a LOT on really really flashy, impractical weapons. Their bows look friggin amazing!

But this isnt because their graphics are BETTER.

Its because their art style and direction is leaning towards extraneously detailed items.

Guild Wars can easily handle that direction in graphics if Anet wanted it.

nah, haven't played it yet, but I've seen lots of Screenshots, really LOTS XD.
The picture you've showed there shows us a L2 character with the size and the design of a teenager child with an age of say 15-17

When you compare your picture, with mine, you'l see, that this character looks versus the stereotype szie of "normal" characters more like really a child and not like an adult man/woman, which look there, as if they are at an age of like 20-25

(this is again something i really wish me for GW2, where you can give your characters an age and that your chara will also look than more, like really a character at that age, in GW everything looks like being 20-25, you can')t create in GW characters, that look more like teenagers or like older characters, in the end, ever the voices of sequences will ever show, that it sounds like a young character, even when you tried to create something, that should look like an old grandpa XD

Again, i never said, that Graphics of L2 are in genral better, than those of GW ... both have pros and cons ...

Anime is more, than only big eyes, big boobs and cute lookings ...

^^ Bows like this ?
http://sunny.solvir.de/uploads/image/Shot00024.jpg

this grade of character detail is somewhat of awesome T.T
http://www.l2nordic.dk/cms/media/pics/frontl.jpg

Yes, L2 has better effects, spells and skills looks simple more awesome in that game, than most stuff in GW and i know, that GW could be more like L2 in kind of such thigns, but this would surely mean, that we could expect the also monthly fees oO just for better effects ect.
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Ragnarok Online/2 is not Chibi ..its anime (there exists even an own Anime of that game, even mangas)
Chibis are animes, where the scale ration is totally different.
There are for example the Head, the hands and the Legs MUCH bigger scaled, than the Body...that are marks signs of a Chibi.
RO(2) has that all not

Characters in both games look well proportioned
http://dailyscreenshots.de/screensho...version-120951 > RO1

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/7...3534310rm2.jpg > RO2

only Rose- Online I would say, itse more like a fusion of Chibi/Anime MMO, because there there characters scaling goes slightly more into the direction of Chibis (all being very small looking and cute, with slightly bigger heads, or oversized stuff, like too big looking helms ect.

Karyuu · Oct 31, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Eh, I don't know. When looking at all the L2 screenshots (and having played it too) in comparison with GW, I'm leaning towards the latter. L2 is pretty in some ways, but... Sometimes it's just too much. A lot of designs just feel bloated.

Mineria · Oct 31, 2007, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

The only people you'll see are the high lvl griefers and gankers parked outside of noob towns trying to ensure that you will never enjoy the game.

Lately Ive mainly seen dwarfs wearing Bronze armor with names like "yhsd", "tjhu" and "fskel"
Never ran into gankers, clan politics are pretty strong on retail.
An who wants to get a lootable target for the strong clans anyway?

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

@Mineria: is it forbidden to make compares with graphics of diffrent games ?
i think not ands sure not rude to make this discussion here.
this is a forum about GW, i compare with GW, so why should i not post this discussion here oO? Should I have posted it into a l2 forum maybe ?
there I would get flamed and whined by L2 fans, which would tell me the same stuff like you did, only from the other sight of view.

No, but look at your words written.
I don't think it is nice to dis a game on a fansite like that.
Would be the same if I posted on WoW forums with my opinion about WoW looking to cartoonish.
It's ok that you got your opinion, I just don't think the way you did it is nice.
PS. And like I said, research a bit about the game itself, because some of the designs are a 0.001/100% chance to get for keep, and others are not keepers at all. I think it is important that if you want to compare, show something from the game that is more possible.
Like the Avadon set or the Doom Shield.
And if you want to post a Spellhowler set and calling it godly, post some A grade.

I agree that the armors/weapon got more details and are more gothic compared to GW's.

But we got as much environmental details, even more then L2 in explorable areas. Btw. the town you posted is Aden which is the pretty part.
Try to go other places like some of the starter towns.

Monsters are a matter of taste, they look as good in both games.

About you GW2 concerns, there is a reason already stated by Anet.
New engine, which means newer graphics.

Btw. did you check out the Aion videos?
Thats NC Soft's next big mmo, runs beta in korea atm. (even the U2 engine has its limits)
Check plaync.com there is a link to the official site.

There some things that are 100% anime in L2. Note that those are screenshots from retail.

Female Dwarfs

Hatchlings

Summons

Baby Pets

Phoenix Tears · Oct 31, 2007, 07:58 PM // 19:58

bloated oO ? lol come on, when here does any MMO does look bloated in the Scene, then its WoW ...

http://www.noggaddicts.com/wp-conten...11/warlock.jpg
http://teza1.free.fr/bc/Tiers%205%20...k_Bloodelf.jpg
http://wow.ingame.de/szene/mg-interview.jpg < rofl > Pseudo Asura *g*

PS: some of your posted pics look awesome Mineria, wish we would have in GW such cute Minipets lool

uhm, yes, ok, thats a part of the game, where it shows stuff, that is more stuffe like you await it from an anime, right, i mean at least such silly stuff, like bunny ears..

i personally have nothing about anime style looking summons, summons are in the end only fantasy creatures and are part pf the fantasy of the game itself, there is no way that you could make summons look not like this style, the only thing that changes this is the factor, if those summons should look more cute, or more evil which makes imo the decision, if a summon looks more like some anime thing, or more fearsome

god, how would i wish to hatch my own little Dragon in GW2 ^^ XD i would die for my own dragon in GW2 to be able to fly with it then later where ever i want to be ^^ *bye bye map travel lol*
Hmm what you call then the Event Hats of GW ? like the Pumpkin Heads I think each game has anywhere its little stuff of Anime ... Anime Style is a simple good way to give a game more fantasy and as said, GW is no Realism Simulation ^^
Would this be so, we would finally have our realistic war battles, GW would be only for players of an age of 18+ ,and we could slaughter us from war to war XD, hack off body parts of our enemies and blood would shoot out of all holes XD

lyra_song · Oct 31, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

nah, haven't played it yet, but I've seen lots of Screenshots, really LOTS XD.
The picture you've showed there shows us a L2 character with the size and the design of a teenager child with an age of say 15-17

When you compare your picture, with mine, you'l see, that this character looks versus the stereotype szie of "normal" characters more like really a child and not like an adult man/woman, which look there, as if they are at an age of like 20-25

I actually played this damn game for 2 months!

Of course the character is short, its a DWARF. Its not a teenage child!

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Anime is more, than only big eyes, big boobs and cute lookings ...

I've said this already:

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

The proportions of the face, body and style of the posture and hair falls into the realm of "realistic" anime style.

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Yes, L2 has better effects, spells and skills looks simple more awesome in that game, than most stuff in GW and i know, that GW could be more like L2 in kind of such thigns, but this would surely mean, that we could expect the also monthly fees oO just for better effects ect.

No, its just the art direction.

The lack of flashy things isnt a matter of inability, or lack of monthly fees.

Guild Wars isn't flashy, period. It's much more realistic (still not true realism, but way more realistic).

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Ragnarok Online/2 is not Chibi ..its anime (there exists even an own Anime of that game, even mangas)
Chibis are animes, where the scale ration is totally different.
There are for example the Head, the hands and the Legs MUCH bigger scaled, than the Body...that are marks signs of a Chibi.
RO(2) has that all not.

Do you even draw or study anime/manga art/design?

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Characters in both games look well proportioned
http://dailyscreenshots.de/screensho...version-120951 > RO1

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/7...3534310rm2.jpg > RO2

only Rose- Online I would say, itse more like a fusion of Chibi/Anime MMO, because there there characters scaling goes slightly more into the direction of Chibis (all being very small looking and cute, with slightly bigger heads, or oversized stuff, like too big looking helms ect.

Ive been watching and drawing anime and manga for over 20 years. Me and my exgf played the korean RO2 beta. stop..just stop talking gibberish.

Karyuu · Oct 31, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

No, WoW to me is exaggerated. L2 is bloated because of its heavy use of decorative elements.

lyra_song · Oct 31, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Karyuu

No, WoW to me is exaggerated. L2 is bloated because of its heavy use of decorative elements.

WoW uses VERY low resolution textures compared to GW or L2.

Quaker · Oct 31, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

That may not be the ugliest weapon I've ever seen, but it's certainly right up there with the uuugliest.

Anyway, what's the point of this post. So, you think Lineage looks better than GW. So, go play Lineage.

Omega X · Oct 31, 2007, 08:14 PM // 20:14

I always thought that most Guild Wars weapon art was bland or lost in translation to the game. A perfect example was the Glacial Sword. The concept art looks amazing but when it got put into the game its amazing look was toned down 8 notches.

There are a few exceptions to the rule. But most of it was not too well done.

Jumping Is Uselss · Oct 31, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15

^^ Ya i agree, the weapons look so much better in concept art form. I know its hard to replicate the art into the game, but sometimes the scale of the weapons are too small to see any details.

L2 to me is definitely heavy on the anime theme. GW is sticks close to reality.

Saraphim · Oct 31, 2007, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

http://wow.ingame.de/szene/mg-interview.jpg < rofl > Pseudo Asura *g*

Lol, pseudo Asura? You really haven't played WoW either have you, an Asuran would get lost trying to find his way out from between a Tauren's toenails.

Seriously, get a trial key, go and grind a bit (because you will need to grind for high end epic gear and weapons) and then compare the graphics. Using posed screenshots (or watching FMVs) to judge and compare the games just isn't going to be enough to make an objective comparison between these games.

Diablo™ · Oct 31, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

WoW uses a single 256x256 texture for their character and an additional 128x128 texture for armors. (depending on armor tier lvl)

GW uses 512x512 texture for the interchangable armors while the faces and hands use a single 256x256 texture.

L2 uses a variety of texture sizes much like WoW, ranging from lower resolutions, to 512x512 textures much like GW.

It's just technical specs, but whether you like the art or not is a matter of opinion and perspectives. If you can stand all that anime-ish art, then it's good.

Mineria · Oct 31, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by Quaker

That may not be the ugliest weapon I've ever seen, but it's certainly right up there with the uuugliest.

Having this weapon (Demonic Sword Zariche) will get you killed.
It has to be ugly because it is evil.

Karyuu · Oct 31, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

WoW uses VERY low resolution textures compared to GW or L2.

Not sure what that has to do with what I posted, but yeah...

I was talking about the style of art itself.

Mineria · Oct 31, 2007, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by Saraphim

Seriously, get a trial key, go and grind a bit (because you will need to grind for high end epic gear and weapons) and then compare the graphics. Using posed screenshots (or watching FMVs) to judge and compare the games just isn't going to be enough to make an objective comparison between these games.

Erm.. not all epics look cool.
Remember when the pink spandex Paladin set was introduced?

I remember clearly the word Paladins said.
Or some of the Hunter sets...

Some of them are not worth raiding for cause of their look, only the better stats.

WoW looks good to, but it has more a cartoon like art style.

Hyper.nl · Oct 31, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

IMO Guild Wars only needs one thing to improve it's graphics, which is texture resolution. This is not really a problem limited to Guild Wars but in many games; there is a nice rendering engine, nice shaders but the main textures just are not detailed enough. This especially is visible on other player characters where the texture detail seems to be crippled to gain some performace.

So, my wish would be to see as high texture resolutions as possible. Up to 4096x4096 for the largest tiles. Texture compression technologies like S3TC/DXTC should handle it nicely. Of course, there also should be an option to reduce texture detail for players with older hardware or on-board graphics which may have trouble handling that much detail.

And no, I don't want any anime-style graphics. Let's not make GW like Final Fantasy and keep the graphics realistic.

Phoenix Tears · Oct 31, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Quaker

That may not be the ugliest weapon I've ever seen, but it's certainly right up there with the uuugliest.

Anyway, what's the point of this post. So, you think Lineage looks better than GW. So, go play Lineage.

Why did I know, that at least one of those typical

"You like this more than..than go there-Answers" will be posted XD

Fact is: this is not true

Saraphim · Oct 31, 2007, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Mineria

Erm.. not all epics look cool.
Remember when the pink spandex Paladin set was introduced?

I remember clearly the word Paladins said.
Or some of the Hunter sets...

Some of them are not worth raiding for cause of their look, only the better stats.

WoW looks good to, but it has more a cartoon like art style.

Lol, I think that must've been before my time. Plus I play Horde, but I do have a Paladin (cheapo mounts ftw!).

Good point about the epics though.

I like WoW too, I think it's going to have to do some thinking about upping the ante on it's textures and poly counts at some point in the future, how that would be possible without re-writing the engine I don't know and the sheer size of the work involved would be enormous on a game that size.

Diablo™ · Oct 31, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

Why did I know, that at least one of those typical

"You like this more than..than go there-Answers" will be posted XD

Fact is: this is not true

What's not true?

The idea that if you don't like the current game you're playing, then you should try to join something you like? Or do you think that when Quaker stated his personal opinion that something was ugly, you think he's lying?

If you don't like something. stop doing it.

Fact is: this is true

Phoenix Tears · Oct 31, 2007, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Diablo™

What's not true?

The idea that if you don't like the current game you're playing, then you should try to join something you like? Or do you think that when Quaker stated his personal opinion that something was ugly, you think he's lying?

If you don't like something. stop doing it.

Fact is: this is true

I meant with that, that its not true, that I dislike GW, only because i compare it with L2, thats something i could hear out of his comment and that I should go play L2, when i don't like GW...